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The Santa Clause 4: The Substitute Clause

Note: If you’ve arrived here looking for information about Disney’s, The Santa Clause 4, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but  I have no such news. However, I would like to ask that you at least give your opinion of a 4th movie by voting in the poll I have created. To date, this page has been searched for and viewed over 75,000 times!  Hopefully, with enough votes, maybe someday someone from Disney Studios will see this and choose to make another movie. So, whether you like or even read my concept below for a fourth movie, please vote.

Disney’s, The Santa Clause  are some of mine and my family’s favorite movies. My daughter and I were talking recently about the second one and a thought crossed my mind that I believe would make for a good premise for at least one more movie. It’s a story that seems to have been hinted at in the previous movies. Charlie, Scott Calvin’s son, seems to have a real interest and affection for the role of Santa in the movies, so, why not give him a shot at it.

In my idea for this 4th version of the popular movies, it opens right before Thanksgiving with Santa (Scott Calvin) appearing before the Council of Legendary Figures (Mother Nature, Father Time, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Cupid and Sandman). Apparently, he’s been sued by the elves union or Jack Frost  or somebody else, it really doesn’t matter too much. The point is, he’s grounded and cannot perform his duties this year as Santa, or until the Council has had time to adequately investigate and rule on the matter.

Given that Tim Allen has (allegedly) expressed that he’s not interested in doing another one of these movies, this story line might could work without him, or at the least with his role being minor. If he refused to do the movie, it might be nice if they could bring back David Krumholtz, who played the part of Bernard, the head elf in the first two movies. The story would be that he’s now head legal counsel for Santa and speaks on his behalf. Bernard would come and find Charlie and explain to him that his dad has been barred from flying and being Santa for this year. However, there is a clause on the original card, that allows for a substitute Santa, but that person must be a relative. So, in an effort to save Christmas and quite possibly his Dad, Bernard tries to get Charlie to agree to fill the suit for this year and be Santa.

Only, there are problems with Charlie being Santa. Number one being, he’s finishing his last year of college and getting ready to graduate. He already has numerous time constraints and really can’t work it in to his schedule. However, he agrees to do it for his dad and to save Christmas. Soon after the fun begins. Much like in the first movie where physical changes began happening as Christmas approaches, Charlie will experience similar changes. The fun twist to the story occurs in the fact that Charlie is in college. Of course, being in college, none of his peers nor his professors believe in such a childish thing as Santa Claus. Especially sour on the Santa belief is his roommate who apparently had a pretty bad experience as a young kid.

Along the way, Charlie manages to re-ignite the belief in Santa and the joy of Christmas for his roommate and at least a couple of his professors. Either thru an accident or some kind of interference by Jack Frost (or someone else), Charlie winds up stuck somewhere and has to call on someone to help. As it turns out, his roommate is the only one who can help, and in the process discovers that Charlie is in fact Santa Claus. In the end, Charlie saves Christmas, as well as vindicates his Dad from the charges that were filed against him.

I’ll be the first to admit it’s not the strongest story, and the fact that it moves away from the actor/character that made it such an enjoyable movie for the first three weakens it substantially. In fact, I almost cringe at the thought of a sequel that doesn’t use the original actor. Thoughts immediately come to mind of poor sequels with a replacement actor like Daddy Day Camp where Eddie Murphy’s character was played by Cuba Gooding Jr, or Dr Doolittle 3, a film based on another Eddie Murphy movie, only it has a similar premise as what I’m proposing where the character’s child is taking on the lead role. However, in spite of these other poor movies, the Dr Doolittle series must have appealed to someone because they made 3 of them without Eddie Murphy, which means somebody bought them. So, I think if done well, another Santa Clause movie, even without Tim Allen could do reasonably well if they were to incorporate the same magic and fun of the original movies. Besides that, it’s a Christmas movie which means it is going to have a mass appeal that sometimes can drive sales for many years. If nothing else, the story could work at least for a direct to video or maybe TV special.

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  1. March 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    I like the idea you came up with and substituting Neil in there, as suggested in another post, could also be fun. Too bad Tim Allen isn’t interested anymore. As an aside, I wasn’t real excited about the third movie because of the contrived conflict. I enjoy seeing Scott work through tough situations and his humor is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, deceit and trickery wouldn’t have been my first choice for a Christmas theme. If Tim would reconsider it would be nice to have an installment where Scott is becoming disenchanted or, perhaps, distracted with the administrative part of being the CEO of the Christmas machine. Since everyone really loves Scott and can sense this change Bernard approaches Ms. Clause and they work out a plan. They both know deep down how much Scott truly loves being Santa and they want to bring that out in him again. They work out a plan with Father Time to send Scott back in time to help the original Santa Clause who will have already been approached by Father Time about the situation. The original Santa tells Scott he will not be able to distribute his gifts because of ill health (or some other unfortunate reason). In the process a plot can be described where Scott and the audience gains a much deeper appreciation for the origins of Christmas and the spiritually healing aspect of giving. How acts of kindness expressed through the placement of small gifts made huge differences in the lifes of people back then. In the end he comes away with a renewed vigor and understanding of the heritage behind the mantle he now wears. He returns with no elapsed time having been lost and gives a speech to the elves telling them that although they probably hadn’t noticed he had begun to loose sight of the importance of his and their jobs and for that he needs to apologize. He then boards his sleigh and flying across the backdrop of the moon says, “Merry Christmas to all.” That just seems so much nicer than the power struggle at the North Pole delivered in installment 3; but that’s just me.

  2. Patrick
    January 3, 2014 at 8:48 am

    I think they should make another Santa Clause because if Santas son cant be Santa then maybe Neil can be. I know it may sound dumb but it may work out if this movie will ever happen?

  3. Easteregg
    December 25, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    What you really need is will Ferrel as Buddy Claus working with Charlie as Santa.

    • shirley
      December 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm

      this would be even better by having both his sons saving Christmas

  4. Klei Mathis
    December 22, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    You forget about his baby buddy clause

  5. Janelli Villarreal
    December 22, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Please bring back Tim Allen for “Santa Clause 4!”

  6. Janelli Villarreal
    December 22, 2013 at 12:20 am

    PLEASE BRING Tim Allen back and be in the new movie by next year December 2014 in “Santa Clause 4!” Tim Allen you are the greatest actor in Santa Clause movies, please come back we (the World) need you and love watching and seeing you act in those kind of movies for the children. Please do it for the children Tim Allen! PLEASE! !!!!! Think about the children, Tim!!! Please! )-:

  7. don intine
    December 21, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    yes yes yes watched with our older kids now a younger one and soon grandkids this series is generational and so should the movies be c’mon disney “you can do it”

  8. December 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    only with tim allen he make,s the movie

  9. Anonymous
    December 19, 2013 at 1:26 am

    Tim Allen said he would not do another Santa Clause movie

  10. anon
    December 18, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    What about his new son buddy claus ((or clause))

  11. Anonymous
    December 17, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    I think they should make SC4.but only with tim allen.I mean they also had the baby! Shouldnt we know about her??? :) :p

  12. December 15, 2013 at 10:02 am

    And the Santa Clause 4 The substitute clause is just a dumb name. it should be the new clause.

    • Anoumonus
      December 21, 2013 at 6:09 pm

      I had the very same idea

  13. December 15, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Tim Allen is a great actor so i think he should be the Santa Clause in a 5th or 6th movie. plus i don’t think Buddy would be a very good Santa Clause because Disney might pick some dumb actor for him.

  14. December 15, 2013 at 9:53 am

    The Santa Clause 4 is a great idea. I’ve been watching it since i was in the 1st grade so Disney will have to hurry up with this movie. I think the Calvin family shall have a genaration where each of there son’s should be Santa Clause like Scott was Santa so Charlie should be him than Buddy

  15. Joseph
    December 14, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    It’s another year coming to an end, and Christmas is in jeopardy. Society is struggling with the coldest and longest winter ever recorded. Environmentalists are blaming the extreme cold on excessive carbon emissions, leading to one of the years strongest blizzards throughout the entire world. Are Scientists correct? Unfortunately no. Although Jack Frost managed to find his heart after a warm loving hug a few years back, Jack still retains bitterness in his heart. And while he knows he cannot replace Santa Clause with his own selfish ideas, he can make Santa’s job very difficult with extreme cold temperatures and blizzards limiting visibility. Mother nature cannot battle Jack Frost for global tolerance with warm summers along with Jacks attempt to eliminate summers all together.

    But that’s not the only problem. Now Santa (Tim Allen) has grown very weary, exhausted, and developed a strong case of pneumonia. Sadly, because Christmas is so close, and the weather extremely horrible for delivering toys for the kids, Santa is actually thinking of cancelling Christmas. It was the Year Without a Santa Clause, that almost was…

    Behind the scenes, a new rain deer born from a birth defect. The extreme cold in conjunction with radioactive phenomena left a young deer with a very strange image. A bright and shiny nose that glowed so bright and red that could be seen for miles. The other rain deer, especially a silly immature deer named Chet, picked on him and the others joined in the fun. Who am I talking about? None other than good ole Rudolph; the red nosed rain deer.

    Meanwhile, Mrs. Clause (Elizabeth Mitchell) is having to nurse Santa back to health. But poor old Santa is not feeling well at all. He’s avoiding his favorite cookies and delicious hot chocolate and just doesn’t have the strength for Christmas this year. What about Charlie? Well, as he grew older, he still believes in Christmas, but has somewhat outgrown it. Besides, he’s in college and spending much of his young adult life building a future career in management. Charlie believes that his management skills will be required to eventually take over the “Family Business” at the North Pole. But there’s Lucy. How could she help? Could Lucy give Jack another warm loving hug to stop this years coldest blizzard in history? Unfortunately, no. Jack has denied any access or confrontation with the powerful and loving Lucy.

    Will Christmas be cancelled this year? Looks like Mrs. Clause and Lucy have their work cut out for them. Curtis will have to manage toy production entirely on his own while Santa tries to recover. But Mrs. Clause and Lucy embark on a mission to stop jack frost from destroying Christmas. Who will they find help from? What about the “Heat Miser”? Perhaps. Heat Miser can team up with mother nature and help thwart Jacks mission to stop Christmas. But something entirely different helps bring Jack down. Not another hug from Lucy. But this time, Mrs. Clause, who is very experienced in bitterness, shows Jack the same warmth and love that changed her once cynical attitude about Christmas, to one of embracing it even more (I’ll leave this up to Disney to fill in the blank). Mrs. Clause brings Jack back to his loving childhood, and helps him overcome his bitterness towards Christmas, and his desire to upstage his place and role in Christmas. Mrs. Clause and Lucy both save the day. Unfortunately, it’s almost too late.

    Santa is a little better, thanks to Curtis and the Elf’s nursing him back to health. However, Santa still weak and uncertain if the toys can be delivered this year. After all, it’s just too cold and seeing is almost impossible. But what’s this? Where is that beautiful light coming from? “What in the world!!! That light….that light….Why, Rudolph with your nose so bright, would you help me guide my sleigh tonight?”

    Mrs. Clause and Lucy were able to thwart Jacks Plan. Unfortunately, Jack is unable to clear out the blizzard and extreme cold. Santa will have to deliver the toys in this weather. But a new rain deer comes to the rescue. Rudolph, leading the way, helps Santa save Christmas….the year without a Santa Clause.

  16. Joseph
    December 14, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    There definately needs to be a Santa Clause 4 with Tim Allen, and Elizabeth Mitchell. I love the story ideas being presented. But I’d like to add one very special character that seems to have slipped out of Christmas these past few years. Has everyone forgotten about Rudolph the red nose rain deer? He wouldn’t be the main character but certainly much better than a young deer name Chet.

    • Anonymous
      December 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

      Great idea!

  17. jazzy
    December 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    I would love to see a 4th one :)

  18. cat♪
    December 5, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Idk, I really want Tim Allen as Santa Claus. And plus it has been my favorite movie since like Kindergarten. They should totes make “Santa Claus 4″ and plus theres still the baby! I want to know what happens too her!

    Hey guys hashtag and tag Tim Allen on twitter lile this- #timallenforSC4 lets make this hashtag POPULAR so Tim sees it!!

    Thanks guys! LOVE YOU ALL♥

  19. alexis
    December 5, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    I think they need to do santa clause 4 cause they had a baby an now its his turn to keep the legend going

  20. TAMMIE BLACK
    December 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Would absolutely love to see a 4th movie and more on the series. Some of my favorite movies. The others on here have come up with some great story lines to take this to.

  21. Lady, Donna Marie Royce
    December 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    BLOODY HADES! Every time I check in here, I see A FLIPPING MESS of GOOD IDEAS & PLENTY of people THAT WANT A 4th Santa Clause move! COME ON DISNEY! Get with the program! We all want a 4th movie & we have practically WRITTEN THE SCRIPT FOR YOU & some (Like myself.) would dearly love to just have a walk on (Mostly at the pole!) for the 4th movie!

    SO COME ON YOU FOLKS AT DISNEY! Get a script writer to take all our fantastic ideas, shine them up and GET GOING ON THIS IDEA! How can you ignore this kind of response to one man’s (GrumpyFan) idea from so many people that love these movies!?

    WE ALL WANT A 4th SANTA CLAUSE MOVIE! SO GET WITH IT!

  22. Josh
    December 2, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Don’t forget there also is a baby, in the fourth movie. Great ideas. This website needs to take off. Maybe a big campaign? Come on guys it’s worth a shot! Tis the season!

  23. Trey Eskew
    November 28, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    If Tim Allen chooses not to do it then he should atleast take part t in the beginning of the movie and give the coat to another person to become the new Santa Clause, and continue the Santa Clause franchise.

  24. Trey Eskew
    November 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Disney definitely needs to make a Santa Clause 4 with TIm Allen!!! :)

  25. kirk
    November 24, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Maybe Curtis and Bernard can tell Scott that is time as Santa and he needs to pass it down to Charlie and Buddy will be Charlie’s head elf until Buddy reaches of age and Scott having no choice calls Charlie using Magic and Charlie arrives at the pole via Magic and he explains to Charlie that is time as Santa is over and Charlie and buddy will take over as Santa and head elf respectively until Charlie passes it down to Buddy and Charlie agrees then he is sprayed with Magic Dust and is told the Santafication will begin in a few months and scott is revert back to his old self before Santa and he and his wife carol depart from the pole as they leave Charlie and buddy in charge and Curtis and Bernard pass down the head elf status to Buddy until he becomes Santa and with that Charlie begins his work as Santa but he remembered he is working at Lenny’s Advertising agency and he will continue until the sanctification process begins and he has begin his yearly santa duites at the pole checking the list and checking on the elves making the toys and Buddy is very more fun as the head elf he encourages the elves to their best

  26. Anonymous
    November 12, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I hope they come out with a part 4. If Tim Allen doesn’t want to do it I thought Bernard was a great idea or Curtis

  27. Lady, Donna Royce
    September 19, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    I come back here every few months to see what is going on and I see more and more GOOD IDEAS coming from people that love these movies like I do and WE WANT MORE! We have all come up with enough stuff that a screenwriter would have no problem culling out the best ideas and pulling them together in one script!

    Come on Disney! We want more and we are all willing to help write the script for you! All you need do is get the entire ruddy ball rolling on it! I would be willing to say that with so many of us here that dearly love the first three movies, you would find a flipping mess of people that have NEVER quit believing in Father Christmas!

    To those here that still believe, you may add me to that list! I may be 56, but my heart and soul are STILL 12 years old! I may have to grow old, BUT I WILL NEVER GROW UP! I REFUSE TO DO THAT! So take it from an OVERGROWN CHILD! I WANT MORE!

    Lady, Donna Royce

  28. August 31, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    I would like to see Bernard back and this would be a great place to put him in. My opinion is maybe his wife is feeling lonely and wants to spend more time with her husband and maybe cooks up a plan with Jack Frost so Scott will be home more and maybe Lucy Scott’s first wife’s daughter from her second husband could be back in the movie and at the North Pole helping Santa’s wife with their child. Buddy is now like 4 or 5 and is a handful since Scott is never home and always at the workshop. No wonder Mrs. Claus is determined to get Scott home for a while.

    Another scenario is while Santa can not fly for a year maybe Scott’s first wife Charlie’s mother is pregnant and going to have a baby any day and while he is off for a year and Charlie is taking over Santa’s absence could be explained by They went to be with Charlie’s mom and step dad to help her with the baby and it turned out she had twins or triplets and needed a few extra hands.

    A third idea is Scott is overworked after being Santa for so long and his work is not as great as it should be and the elves are striking because Santa is not so Jolly and has a bad attitude because he is working all the time and never sees his wife and son and his job is suffering because he is putting in so many hours and needs rest so he is not checking the toys like he should be and with the bad attitude and sloppy work he is on probation

  29. shelly
    August 5, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    I like tim allen in any shows or movies he does he is so funny and a good actor 2! I am one of his biggest fans!

  30. June 30, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    tim allen stared in a lot of great movies but the 1 I loved was the santa clause 1,2,&3 I don’t know what to say but I think tim allen should have a grand finally so I think the 4th movie should be mayed because I think a great santa should star in 1 more movie because many fans loved him and they would love you to so please make the movie

  31. Anonymous
    April 5, 2013 at 6:16 am

    That would be awesome,The Santa Clause 4.

  32. Lady Donna Marie Royce
    February 10, 2013 at 12:54 am

    You know what folks? I THINK WE ARE ALL BLOODY WELL WRITING THIS MOVIE AS WE GO ALONG HERE! I see so many good ideas here that all a screenwriter need do is outline it and then come to this page and just take all of our ideas, incorparate them into the screenplay and just work up the dialog and She/He would be done in a week rather then several months! THAT IS HOW GOOD SOME OF THESE IDEAS ARE!

    Who wants to come get me and then we can go present this idea to Disney?

    Lady Donna Royce
    Tonah, WI

  33. Michelle schlappe
    January 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    I want Tim Allen to be in Santa Claus 4 because I think he’s a great actor and I didn’t even now he was buzz light year on toy story !
    I love all the Santa Claus movie’s.

  34. Michelle schlappe
    January 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    I think they should keep continuing the Santa Claus movies with Tim Allen and I love the movies their creating.

  35. Anonymous
    January 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I think that they should make a 4th Santa Claus because I think the movie is wonderful

  36. Beverly Hope
    December 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    I would like to see Santa Clause 4, with Tim Allen, and a good part for his son, Charlie, and Charlie’s son and/or daughter in this movie, along with Santa’s child from the Santa Clause 3 Movie. Please consider this. Get Tim Allen to do this and get Eric Lloyd to do it with him.

  37. December 24, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    I would love to be able to write (or help) with the script. What if they bring Bernard back because the Council finds out that Curtis gave up the secret of where the Hall of Snow Globes was.

    • GrumpyFan
      December 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm

      Thanks! I really need to get back to this and put something together. This month alone, this page has been viewed more than 16,000 times! It seems pretty obvious to me that many would love to see another movie in this franchise.
      I too thought about the possibility of trying to bring back Bernard, but the actor (David Krumholtz) seems to have moved on and I’m not sure if he would necessarily fit the look anymore. According to Wikipedia, he wasn’t in the third one due to contract dispute.

  38. Anonymous
    December 8, 2012 at 6:56 am

    i would love to see the make a no 4 which involves santa,mrs clause,buddy and charlie again.took apx 8 years 4 the second 1 to came out but theres defo more story behind it!!!!!!i grew up with these films and watch them allyear round.the story line sounds fab.plz plz plz do another film it would be a great end then :)

  39. Tanesha
    December 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    I dont think its a bad idea but i think it would work if you add the pretty little girl that played Charlies sister and remember he had a a baby brother that was born in the last one on Christmas eve who would be around 6or 7 it would be cool if they saved Christmas all 3 of them together some how

  40. Anonymous
    December 2, 2012 at 8:21 am

    i would love it if their was a santa claus 4 with tim allen in it, it would be lovely to watch with his baby buddy

  41. leilalove
    December 1, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    This Should REALLY Be Seen By Some Directors & Writers ! This Is A Really Great Idea ! I Would Absolutely ADORE Going To Go See Another Santa Clause Movie!! I Grew Up On These Movies & Would Love To See At Least One More.

  42. Anonymous
    December 1, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    In the original, the card read, by accident or design, it should be written into the script that charlie was the design all along and his dad, unknowingly, has been training him all along on how to be a great santa. Eric Loyd and Tim Allen has to both make it work. We all need another Santa Clause movie. dump the college angle and go in another direction. This time and place in our country could sure use more magic.

  43. Misty
    December 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    I like this story line very much, with one exception. I think that, instead of Charlie getting help from his college roommate, he should get help from his college crush/sweetheart! Or maybe both! Just a thought. :)

  44. crystal
    July 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    I would love to see this storyline but i think tim allen is a neccessity i love him. absolutely love all santa clause movies.

  45. Wendy Schmeling
    June 29, 2012 at 7:47 am

    I think this person is on to something! And by the reaction, on here, a lot of people think so too….and would go see it, including me! We NEED more movies like this! Family movies!! And if you have a great movie, that works THREE times…then that has to tell ya something…people want more. I say try to make a new one, every 2 years or so, that follows this line,with these characters….why??? ’cause just about everyone loves and needs them!! When it FAILS at the box office….then it’s time to STOP. That is NOT happening. If you are an actor, and really want to make people happy….then you should consider what makes THEM happy, and if you can…….do it!!! Love Tim Allen and all the characters from these movies! We ALL do!!!!

    • GrumpyFan
      June 29, 2012 at 9:37 am

      I’m not sure about every 2 years or so. But, if they have a good story, then why not make a sequel or two or three, but care must be exercised so as not to burn out the audience. I mean, let’s face it, after a while the same characters doing the same things over and over get old.

      • Lady Donna Marie Royce
        December 1, 2012 at 6:39 pm

        I love the entire idea but one. Change the law suit to some other problem that will keep Father Christmas out of action for that year.
        Say his father in law Bud passes away and on the way to where he stashed the sled & the boys to head back to the pole, He & Mother Christmas gets hit head on crash (There is a new Jack Frost & he makes the old one look tame & he has iced up the road HEAVY just to make trouble & did not know (RIGHT! So he says!) Father Christmas was on that very road heading home!) in their rented car & He ends up in hospital in a minor coma & Mother Christmas will not leave his side to go get Charlie.

        So Mother Nature goes to tell Charlie that according to the rules, he has to cover for his Father till he is up & around again & she has a bit of trouble convincing him of this untill she takes that fateful card & makes it enlarge to cover the whole wall of the gym or some other HUGE wall so they both can see this hidden rule! (YES! The print is that tiny!)

        Then as you set out above, the trouble & the fun starts! Charlie showed he was good at dealing with problems in a pinch in 2 & 3 & he is really put to the test here!
        I think that the same young man that played Charlie would need to play the part again.

        With Father Christmas confined to a bed in hospital, you would not even need Mr. Allen to be involved but for the opening part with the wreck and the end where he wakes up a couple of moments after Charlie gets there to report to his step-mother & Mother Nature.
        Any parts after that where we would just need to see him in bed, it could be a puppet made in the same way as the one of “Bella” was made for “Twilight: Breaking Dawn: Part 1″ & that thing was so life like that it was shocking!

        So……There you have it. A few improvements to your idea but for the most part, the same idea you had. I would love to see another “Santa Clause” movie. BLOODY HELL! I would love to be involved with it. Perhaps a walk on at the pole?
        Mum always said she thought I was in the wrong place & time.
        I have been fixing (Grandmum taught me how.) & collecting toys since I was eight years old. Mum said, “Baby, you are in the wrong place!”
        “You should have been with Father Christmas. Building toys & then going around the world, collecting broken & neglected toys, fixing them up better then new & getting them to children that need a very special friend! A toy so special that no other child would have it!”

        I hope you like my changes.

        Happy Christmas and may The Mother watch over you and yours.

        Lady Donna Marie Royce

  46. Susan
    March 31, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Your idea involving Charlie being the “subsititute” Santa is terrific!!! What a great plot!! I think however, no law suits. Perhaps with the birth of Santa’s son at the end of #3, maybe there is an illness/crisis with him or Mrs. Clause and Santa calls on Charlie to fill in. The rest of your ideas are great. This brings back Tim Allen with a limited role, a compromise between no movie and a full Santa role and keeps the original Santa and the flow of the movies. I hope someone pays attention and picks this idea for “The Santa Clause 4, The Subsitute Clause”. I for one would love to read more!!

    • g.r.r.
      July 10, 2012 at 1:32 am

      I agree. No law suits.

  47. Anonymous
    February 10, 2012 at 8:39 am

    I agree! Sounds awesome! You need to write a screenplay.

  48. Kirsten
    December 24, 2011 at 12:53 am

    This sounds awesome!!!!!!7

  49. james
    December 22, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    I think that the santa clause 1&2 are very good
    and they need to make many more

  50. Laura
    December 22, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    I happened to stumble on the site and I personally think it’s a great storyline. I loved the first one and I think the fourth movie should reflect the stylings of it which can be done. In the first movie, Charlie mentions that he wants to go into the family business. Buddy would already be around Charlie’s age when it all started. Besides what Santa is teaching Buddy already, Charlie can teach Buddy and the movie can show their relationship. When the time is right, Charlie can pass the torch. You can always incorporate Lucy as the girl who melts peoples hearts or show the relationship between the three as Charlie is prepping to become Santa. They are siblings so you can show the love they have yet how they are all different. Tim Allen can make a cameos as well as all of the adults. The kids can make their parents proud. Oh yeah, Charlie did have a highschool sweetheart so she can be incorporated as well. I am sorry my mind is working overtime in helping getting this story off the ground. What would make it funny is to add manly sense of humor you know like Tim Allen’s show but it does not have to be crude. Let me tell you, the fourth movie could retire Tim Allen all together and would leave kids now with a new generation. Great idea! Oh yeah and from what I learned about scripts is that they have to be typed in ariel 10 font. One minute, if I remember correctly, for every page.

    • Tanesha
      December 7, 2012 at 10:31 pm

      I like this idea i also think that all 3 of the syblings be in the movie and very involed.

  51. Big Jim
    December 9, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    I think it’s brilliant!

  52. Marinda Zera
    December 8, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Ohhhhhh Please, Please, Please make the movie!!!! (did I mention, Please)

  53. kam
    December 1, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    it could be the last one…!!! with Tim allen being to old to continue in the end so charlie takes over leaving us all to know Tim allen is finished hanging up his coat as Santa and charlie is the new one!

  54. kam
    December 1, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Bring back santa clause! I think Tim Allen should still be in it… maybe busy with the baby and helping the new mama…I miss Tim Allen, he needs to be in it, its crucial! It has always been my favorite Christmas series and remain that way. I watch it more then often! Love it.. BRING IT BACK!

  55. Jango
    December 1, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Rem jack frost no longer exists hes now johny sunshine so maybe he culd be the new santa clause

  56. November 30, 2011 at 11:25 am

    How about, Scott Calvin is cursed in getting even fatter as Santa Claus and could explode because of some wierd expiration date age limit for the title as Santa unless he passes the torch of Santa to either Chalie or Buddy or something. XP

  57. Emily
    November 29, 2011 at 1:05 am

    I like this idea. Especially if Eric Lloyd would still play Charlie. My favorite movie of the Santa clause’s is the second one because of Charlie. He is older and has a different type of part in it. :)

    • GrumpyFan
      November 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm

      Indeed, Eric (Charlie) would be crucial in my story. I would assume that he would be up for it, however, it might need some additional actors to beef up the story since he’s not the best know actor. He hasn’t done a lot since SC3, but according to IMDB, does appear to still be working.

      I continue to think about this story, and keep adding new thoughts on the story line. Maybe one day I will get around to publishing a full blown story on it, or at the least a more detailed plot summary. I should add too, that this post continues to be one of my most viewed with over 9,600 views since posting in 2010, and 3,400 just in the last 30 days. Oh how I would love to see this play out on the big screen!

  58. jenn
    November 16, 2011 at 5:23 am

    What about buddy clause?? Remember mr & mrs clause had a baby @ end of last movie….buddy clause would have to be incorporated some how…but like the idea for a fourth movie

    • GrumpyFan
      November 18, 2011 at 1:58 pm

      Hmm, that’s an interesting one I hadn’t thought about. Truthfully, my memory of the third one isn’t so good. I need to go back and re-watch it.

    • Windbourne
      November 29, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      That is why I suggested that Buddy and Charlie fight to be Santa. Tim Allen does not want to do this anymore. By doing a 4th film and passing the torch to one of the boys, then the films can continue.

      Eric Loyd was pretty good. But I think that a decent buddy can brought into this. Basically, let them battle it out, and have one winner and the other join up with him to help.

      • GrumpyFan
        November 29, 2011 at 4:29 pm

        Sorry, but I just can’t see how that would work in my story. The thought was to stay closely within the timeline of the previous movies, which would basically leave off a few years after the third movie, and Charlie would be finishing college. This would mean that Buddy would only be 4 or 5 years old, and in my opinion, not necessarily ready to play the part of an adult Santa. I do think, however, that the character should play a part in the story, I’m just not sure exactly how. I will have to give it some thought.

  59. November 15, 2011 at 9:46 am

    this time in the forth movie they should bring back the people that do not believe in the santa clause like for an example the guy in the first when he said scoott calvin you are no longer to visit charlie no more he should come back and this time he ends up beliveing in santa and do not forget about scott calvin’s co workers that threw santa in jail in the first and hey where in the heck is lucy she was in the 2nd and the 3rd she should come back this time if frost is doing something bad like in the 3rd and he kept blaming the elves even the tree topper scene in the 3rd it was not santas fault for breaking the star it was frostest falut cause he lossen up the tree so it could be unstable and that is why the tree topper broke cause santa did not know the tree was not stable and i got to say i am 21 and i believe in santa and i do not care what everyone thinks about me of watching these kind of movie if you have brothers and sister s that make fun you just tell this you believe santa and i am watching these movies so why you cannot believe in santa and stand up and what you believe in and watch these movies cause they are great watch in the month of november cause that is when the countdown to 25 days of christmas movies start on november ok so go for it

  60. Anonymous
    October 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yes I want a SC4 i am a huge fan i still believe in santa claus and i am 20 years old .

  61. kelly klimkewicz
    October 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    My family loves the 3good Tim allen santa clause movies we watch them on Thanksgiving Day thru the new year. We watch them at least once a day all three movies they really get us ready and excited for the holidays

  62. Paige
    September 27, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    I think your idea is brilliant!

  63. Anonymous
    September 9, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    I love love love the Santa Clause movies!!! I think the story line suggested could actually work for a forth installment. I always thought that somehow Charlie could fill his Fathers shoes.

  64. Anonymous
    September 4, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    We want SC4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. Anonymous
    August 14, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Tim Allen played a great santa Clause in the first 3 movies my family loved it!!!please Mr. Allen at least give your fans a grand fanally of the santa clause movies.it is a treditan that my family watch all 3 movies every christmas.and will enjoy them for years to come!!!!

    The Sones Family!!!

  66. windbourne
    July 23, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Sorry, but not a fan of the lawsuit. Far too many of those now. Instead, how about Calvin wants to retire and leave it to one of his 2 boys. The problem is, that they BOTH want it. So, the question is, who get it? Charlie, or the later boy that was born? That is the story. And can leave the line open for a whole new set of stories. This is also a better exit for Tim Allen then the SC 3 was.

    • windbourne
      July 23, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      BTW, after reading the rest of your story, I think that you should consider doing the modification and taking alex up on his suggestion. He is right that a good story COULD win back Allen.
      And other than the start, I liked what you spoke of.

  67. Anonymous
    July 13, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    I really like your idea. I am always ready for a Christmas movie !! But I agree that even without Tim, it would be great.

    • GrumpyFan
      July 13, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Thanks, and you’re not alone. It would appear at least 4300 others, so far, have expressed an interest in a fourth installment of The Santa Clause.

  68. Michael McG
    June 4, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Your idea is GREAT!!! if only your idea could be the 3rd movie (not the 4th)

  69. Craig
    December 12, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I would like to see another The Santa Clause movie, but it wouldn’t be the same with out Tim Allen playing santa.

  70. noots
    November 21, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    sounds like a winner….a big hit… write a screenplay..I can see it being done ..good luck!

    • GrumpyFan
      November 21, 2010 at 8:55 pm

      If only… not exactly my forte’ nor expertise, but I might be willing to collaborate with someone who has the talent and time.

      • Alex
        December 5, 2010 at 11:17 pm

        Hey! I have been writing screenplays for the past few years and if you need some help I am willing lend you a hand. Email me if you wish.

      • GrumpyFan
        December 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm

        Wow, Thanks! That’s a generous offer. But, I have no idea how to even go about starting such a project.

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